Being Coached

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Uyi

Okay, guys. Welcome. Welcome back to The Point of View. I'm your host, Ian Montane. In today's episode, I sit down with coaching specialist Bo Ram. Bow. Sam Beau is a woman of many, many talents is an understatement. We discuss coaching NLP CBT and her recent trip to Mexico. So that's enough for me on to the show. Okay. I think we are good to go.

Beau

Fabulous.

Uyi

Fabulous. Bo Rambo.

Beau

Bo Rambo. Oh, you said it, right.

Uyi

Bo Rambo.

Beau

Yeah.

Uyi

My name is Bo Rambo.

Beau

Yeah. Sounds a little bit like a stripper's name, but I'm taking it.

Uyi

Okay. I feel like it'd be a very masculine stripper because it's French masculine. Yeah. I mean, when you said stripper, I was thinking about a woman, though. Were you thinking about when you said stripper?

Beau

Yeah.

Uyi

Okay. Because maybe it could be a man's. A male stripper's name. Yeah, it's the Rambo part.

Beau

Yeah, but that's my actual name.

Uyi

It is your actual name.

Beau

Beau is my nickname.

Uyi

Okay.

Beau

Rambo is my actual first name.

Uyi

Okay. So what's your first name, then?

Beau

So my real first name is Jade.

Uyi

Jade. Jade Rambo. That sounds even better. It sounds like daughter of Rambo.

Beau

Yeah, but in College because it's spelled French way Rambo. So A-U-T. At the end, some guy couldn't pronounce it, and he was like, what does that say? Beaumont. And then Beaumont stuck for a while, and then it became Bo.

Uyi

So basically, you're using your last name as your first name.

Beau

Essentially, Bo Rambeau.

Uyi

Bo Rambeau twice.

Beau

In fact.

Uyi

Yeah. That's interesting.

Beau

I like it. And because I do a lot of things.

Uyi

You do many things, Bow.

Beau

Yeah. Sometimes it's nice to have, like when I was acting at the same time as doing the other stuff, I wanted to have separate kind of separate identities. But then I was so attached to Rambo.

Uyi

My Rambo is a great name.

Beau

So I'll just change my first name.

Uyi

No one will know it has a ring to it. Bo Rambo.

Beau

Yeah. It's easy to remember. But when I was in Mexico, they pronounced Jade had a yeah.

Uyi

Because they pronounced the J's, like, hotter.

Beau

Yeah. I really like it. Well, I'm trying my best.

Uyi

So neuro linguistic programming, correct.

Beau

Although no one really knows what it means. And people just say NLP.

Uyi

Why don't you break down what NLP is?

Beau

I'm going to say, underneath my umbrella of coaching, I have NLP, emotional intelligence, CBT. And now I'm doing psychological profiling, cognitive behavioral therapy. Yeah, right. Although because of the level I studied that I'm not the T, I'm not the therapist part. I'm not a therapist. Basically, NLP looks at the possibilities, not the problems. And this is true, actually, is CBT as well. And why it's so popular is that a lot of therapies look at the trauma and the tragedy in your life, and they go back to the past and they look at that and you discuss it openly. Whereas NLP and CBT, rather than looking at intensely about how it started, they look at now in the here and now how you're keeping it alive.

Uyi

Right.

Beau

So what behaviors and habits do you have that are feeding those core beliefs and values that you hold that are perpetuating this narrative in your life. A big part of NLP is the ability to own your story from a survivor or hero stance rather than like all this happened to me and played the victim in your own story by changing the way you say something and the way you tell it and your body language changes your brain chemistry and puts you in a powerful position. That's not to say that you don't visit the past, but it's up to the client what they tell you, because a lot of NLP has a lot of visualization in it. You can take a client to places without them having to tell you. You can just get them to go there and start to associate with their past. You do a lot of looking at your past from a dissociated position, looking in as if it were a movie, and it is if you are not very imaginative or have a good visual skill set.

Uyi

I mean, hard, in the sense of I'm assuming that people who go for therapy in these instances is because they have some kind of trauma from their past. So to disassociate yourself from the trauma must be hard.

Beau

It is hard. Yeah. And obviously now I do it on people and I get to watch the pace of it and how hard it is for me. I think when I was doing it, I'm lucky because of the acting training I've had. So I'm very visual anywhere. And I know what all of these words mean. And I've done these things before because I did math, method acting training. So using certain pain, I've used this at all many times, so I know how to dissociate quite well. But what was interesting is taking it to people from different backgrounds is the pace that I have to go at to allow them the space to because you always want to work within someone's window of tolerance, so you don't want to push them beyond that, because then you retraumatize them. So you want to take it at a pace that they feel safer. So it is hard.

Uyi

And then how do you know that you're not crossing that point for that person for that individual?

Beau

So you know, when fitness people ask you like, between one and ten, how hard do you think you're working, right? Yeah. I would often ask the intensity that they feel it out and just say, do you feel comfortable to go further just so I know because it's on. They're in charge of their journey. The thing with coaching and therapy is although lots of people want to be fixed it's down to them. I'm a guide and an aide, and I bring a new perspective, or I can take the information you've given me and lay it out in a different way so you can look at it from different vantage points. But essentially, they have to do the work because otherwise it won't stick either.

Uyi

True. In terms of trauma, trauma defines people positively and negatively. Like, oh, my dad never believed that I could amount to anything. So I became something in my life. My dad never believed I amount to anything. And so this is why I am today. I've never been able to reach the height they could reach. Do you feel that some people like to hold on to their trauma because of that? Yeah, because it literally does define them 100%.

Beau

I do think people hold onto it. But for a need rather than a want, they don't know their identity without it. Who are you without all of these problems?

Uyi

Like an addiction?

Beau

Exactly. If you didn't have all these problems, what would you be doing? Who are you? True, because you've reinforced the bad things that have happened to you so much that it's no longer a perspective of self. It's your identity. So you've got all of these bad things to be you. And that's a really hard thing to work out and also unpack with someone.

Uyi

Yes. It's hard to be honest with yourself as well.

Beau

Yeah. Even for sure, saying like, you fucked up and you're continually not doing as much as you can. It's really hard.

Uyi

It's really hard to take an honest look at yourself, right?

Beau

Yeah. That's really hard. Yeah. And once you do that, you have to do something. Really? Because I think that brings a whole load of other misery if you stay inactive once you go. Yes. And also people are like, oh, I've wasted all this time, but you're going to die. You're going to die.

Gary Vee

It's called fucking permission. Like, who the Hell's permission are you looking for to do your thing? Who is this person? Is it your mom? Is it society? Is it your partner? Is that the people that are commenting on your social media? Is it something that happened to you when you were nine? What permission are you looking for? I'm just so tired. So many people are using me right now to give them permission to do stuff. And it is my literally greatest feeling of my life, the feeling that I through my content every day on Instagram or my podcast and giving you permission to win excites the shit out of me. But my friends and I can't even contain it very simply, like, can you answer this for me? Whose fucking permission are you looking for? Go do your thing. You're going to die. It's going to end. Something bad is going to happen. Something great is going to happen. But most of all, nothing is going to happen unless you do something. Please stop looking for permission. Please go do the thing you wanted to do. Ask that person out. Start that company. Quit that fucking bullshit job. You can always get another bullshit job. Stop asking for permission. Make the end of this year at the moment that you finally make 2018, the year when you start living your fucking life.

Beau

You'Re going to die. And the only person you're taking from by not taking action is yourself. So only going to continuously waste time. People look like I've wasted this much. Yeah, but you still got this much.

Uyi

You still got time.

Beau

Yeah, but you still got life to live because especially with older clients, all this has happened. You're not dead yet. You've still got a lot to do. And people are doing amazing things far into their life. I was just watching this. I can't remember her name, but she's 74 years old. She's hint. She still trains people and she did her first strength competition at 74.

Uyi

When did she start her strength training? Do you know?

Beau

I don't know, but she's pretty stacked.

Uyi

So I feel like she's been. She started the 73.

Beau

I feel like she's been fit for a while, right?

Uyi

Okay. You're right. Life is short. Life is short. It's weird because when you're a kid, you feel like you've got a long time and then you hit adulthood, you hit midlife and then you think, Fuck, where did all the years go? Do you know what I mean? When you're a kid, you're like, I can't wait till I'm 21 years old.

Beau

Yeah.

Uyi

Idiots so far away. And then you get to 30, 40, 50. You're like that time flew by.

Beau

Yeah, for Christmas again. Are you serious?

Uyi

Yes. So I guess life is short. You never know when you're going to die. You are going to die. It's inevitable. So you make the most of your life, which is true. I think everybody recognizes that's the truth. But I think people find it hard to actually realize that right. To do what they want to do with the time they have left because they get stuck in that cycle.

Uyi

Nine to five type thing is a manufactured hour figure that we're supposed to follow. It's not really what we're meant to do. As humans, as mammals, as whatever you think. We're not meant to do that work a job. I hate to buy things that I don't need. You just become accustomed to love.

Frankl

You can also, of course.

Uyi

Become accustomed to misery. That's another thing about enjoying life. If you don't like what you're doing, don't do it.

Uyi

And they often will blame it on external.

Beau

External things because taking action is hard.

Uyi

It's very fucking hard to take action.

Beau

100%. I was literally having a conversation with my mom the other day because she was me and my mum are very different character types. We experienced a lot of the same trauma because I grew up with her, obviously. So I was around her. It all goes down to your selfesteem. Really? And whether or not you've learned to nurture that and build that up yourself because things like laziness and drive are reflective of your self esteem. Lazy people aren't just lazy. They inherently believe they aren't worth the time. So she was saying, these people, I can't remember who she was referring to. They're telling me to just get on with it. I do believe risks are relative to your experience, but it's also solid advice because just doing it. Although sometimes the people saying it just can't. They're bored of your shit and just won't show up. It's good advice, because what else are you doing? You're just posting through life with the same shit you've always held onto and you don't like it. People don't like listening to it, so you have to change it for me. And the work that I do a lot lies in your story. How you hold it, how you tell it, because your past is a story you tell yourself because you're not going to relive it. It's done. So you have the opportunity at any point to retell that story however you want. And there's so much power in like they've done studies on standing in Superman pose before you go and do like a talk.

Uyi

Really?

Beau

Yeah. It's just standing there for two minutes and how that changes your emotions and feelings about yourself and feels you with confidence. I'm pretty sure there's, like, an hour torque on it. Standing up tall with your head held high, using positive language with your story as a subject changes how you associate with that story, which means it then becomes because pain is power. Pain moved you. Pain isn't intended to hold you still. It's intended as a driving force to push you forward. So when is it going to hurt enough for not living? Like, how painful does it have to be to not live your life whilst you're alive? That's an interesting way of looking at it for you to start living.

Uyi

It's interesting perspective. I never thought of it like that. Pain. Definitely. It's a motivator. You have to respond to it.

Beau

Yeah. Because I was depressed.

Uyi

Yeah.

Beau

That's avoidance.

Uyi

Yeah. I don't know if you ever read Richard Dawkins, who did the God delusion.

Beau

Yeah, I've listened and read a lot of stuff, but never.

Uyi

I like him. He can be quite blunt. So some people don't like him, especially if you're religious.

Beau

That's Sam Harris.

Uyi

Yeah. But one of the things he talks about, like, one of these biological evolutionary mechanisms that we had to inherit was pain. He said, Why do people have pain? Because it makes you respond. If it was anything else, you wouldn't respond to it. You could ignore it. But you can't ignore pain because it's painful, right. And obviously there's different types. There's physical pain, there's emotional pain.

Beau

I don't know the difference, though. The study saying that physical pain and emotional pain is the same inside.

Uyi

I've actually heard that the anticipation, which is the psychological aspect. The anticipation of pain is worse than the pain itself. But I remember reading that's why people don't do anything. Yeah, right. And I remember reading a book about trauma, about the mind, and there was a psychiatrist in it. And he said something which was really interesting, which I never really understood until he said, he said, there's different types of pain. People can live with physical pain. He says there's many people who have really debilitating physical pain, but they carry on. But people who have emotional pain and mental pain, sometimes they choose to not carry on. So he said, That's how bad African highs, how mental pain can affect someone that they think, you know, life isn't.

Beau

It wasn't the body keeps score guy.

Uyi

Was it no guy who was doing the studies in, like, the 19 to 60s. But when I read it, I was like, oh, wow. That makes sense, actually, because people don't think about the mental aspect or if they're not suffering or recognizing that they're suffering, they don't appreciate someone who is potentially suffering from trauma. Do you ever read or have you ever heard of Victor Frankl.

Frankl

Is a finite freedom, a limited freedom. That is to say, a human being is never fully free from conditions, be they of biological or psychological or sociological kind. But the ultimate freedom is always remains always reserved to ourselves. That is, the freedom to take a stand to whatever conditions might confirm us. How we react to the unchangeable conditions is up to ourselves. In other words, if we cannot change the situation, we have always the last freedom to change our attitude to that situation. Certainly nobody of us is spared suffering at one time or another. But everybody in the midst of suffering has given a chance to bear testimony of the human potential at its best, which is to turn a personal tragedy into a human triumph.

Uyi

Because what you just said sounded like logo therapy, right? Like it's the past.

Beau

Yeah. I'm a firm believer in doing the work because that's what life taught me. My childhood was traumatic. Like, there are lots of different things happened. Abuse in various forms of bins. I've lived in a car. So life has always taught me that I'm going to have to do the work. Or dare I say it repeat my parents cycle, which I'm not fucking doing. I'm a reactor of the fear of becoming that. So I don't know any other way than putting an effort to make sure that I am happy, that I am comfortable and secure and confident in myself, but also can provide for myself. So I just think, yeah, you need to build your mental resilience to life because life is hard, even for people that you would assume have it easy. It's hard because it's relative to their experience.

Uyi

It's relative.

Beau

Yeah. But in hardship, you learn the most about yourself. Like, as much as things sucked. And I wouldn't repeat my childhood ever. And I would definitely not those people that say our school years are your best years. Not a chance. Would I ever go back. But I wouldn't be the person I am without those experiences. And therefore I am thankful for them. I am grateful for them because I have these conversations with my parents because obviously, now we're at an age where we can talk about it a little bit more openly about what happened. I don't hold any grudges against them because I like me. Therefore, they did an all right job. Some things were awful, but because of the lessons I learned along the way, I've learned to be self sufficient, confident all these things. And I like myself exactly. And I'm still alive and I enjoy life. So it's still a good experience to me, a bad good.

Uyi

I think it's a perspective thing. Yeah, it's a definite perspective. And I remember just thinking about the Dawkins again. He said, You've got to remember that, like every person, you're unique.

Dawkins

We are going to die. And that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place, but who will, in fact, never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Sahara. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keith, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively outnumbered the set of actual people in the teeth of these stupefying odds. It is you and I in our ordinaryness that are here. We privileged few who won the lottery of birth against all odds. How dare we whine as our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred so thousands.

Uyi

Millions of other chances that it could have been somebody else. So I think it is a perspective. It's hard when someone is going through a lot of shit to gain that perspective.

Beau

Yeah. When you're in it, when you're backed up against the wall, you're only looking at the problem because you're looking for any way out, not the best way out. And that could be a multitude of things. It could be selfharm eating, drugs, alcohol. They're obviously the extreme bad things. But you're looking for a way out. And it's not always the best, depending on what has happened up until that point. That has built your neural pathways to be able to fire in a certain way. That gives you good judgment calls.

Uyi

So how does someone recognize when they need some help when it hurts enough?

Beau

Yeah. The biggest, most obvious difference between therapy and coaching that therapy is for I hate saying this term, but it's for low functioning people. And then coaching is for high functioning people because you'll notice when you look at the disparity between fees. Coaching is very expensive compared to therapy, and therapy is offered on the NHS, and coaching is not because coaching is ready to take action, whereas therapy is like, we need to slow this down and talk through it until you see a way out. If you hold a lot of trauma and you're depressed and anxious, therapy is probably the best way you start because someone bit more like me or you mentioned Gary, Virginia or those of no life coaches. And I was like, just fucking do it. Just get out. Just do it. Saying that to someone who is in a hole of selfkity and self loathing, that's just terrible advice. So you need to unpack the trauma because a lot of people when they talk about trauma as well. It's not actually that you'll have these big experiences in your life that you remember when you actually talk about it. The things that hurt you that showed it to your being might not be the big thing. It will be something small that happens. Someone didn't love you enough to protect you. It's not the thing that happened to you because they didn't do that. It's not like my dad beat me. I was molested because it was because no one was there to protect you or thought you were worth enough. And that's the bit that hurts. And that's the bit that instills the I'm not good enough. I'm unlovable. I'm worth belief. It's not the action that happened.

Uyi

So some people might be focusing on the wrong.

Beau

Yeah. You just don't know until you talk about it. I think because you hold onto it and then you build this story, assuming a lot of it, because how many times you enter a discussion and your opinions get stretched or changed ever so slightly because you've started talking about it because opinions are malleable. They're supposed to be stressed. And I think the problem with how we live now is that everyone's scared to say their opinion just in case, eventually down the line, it changes. And then everyone like, yeah, but you like this on Instagram.

Uyi

I hate that.

Beau

Yeah, because you're supposed to grow. You're supposed to stretch and change. So when you start talking about something, you'll think all of these things about yourself and you'll start talking about and then you'll start going, oh, it wasn't me, but also those other people around me were also humans in their own life experience.

Uyi

I remember when I was a kid, my opinions always change. They still changed. Stick to your principles. But if you see something and you see something else that changes your mind, then you should be able to change your mind. And as you grow, growth is about changing. So if you're sticking to the same principles because they're the principles right, there's something that cannot be changed. Then how you stay in current. How are you being reflective of what's happening around you? How are you taking in new things and learning right. My opinion is if I write something five years ago, I'm not the same person I am today.

Beau

Literally.

Uyi

Literally, because yourselves on a scientific level, literally. You are not the same person, right? No man steps in the same river twice. So when people say social media people get attack people because of something we said ten years ago and you're like comedians.

Beau

I see that all the time.

Uyi

Well, comedians, I don't understand that as well because I'm like most of the time comedians are saying something to be funny, right? So why are you attacking them? But in general, I know Kevin Hart got attacked because of tweets is a good one. Loads of people. Frankie Boyle, even if the person made a statement. But they said, you know what I recognize now that was wrong. I'm sorry for what I wrote two years ago. Five years ago. Ten years ago. It's like it's not good enough. People are like, no, you need to again, you can't, though.

Beau

It's the past. We learn from it. You're supposed to learn from it.

Uyi

So then you can learn from it as an individual. But in some people, the external forces try not to allow you to do that.

Beau

That's a problem with over generalizing. Over generalizing is great for our individual processing of our daily life, because we can't take in all the information. So we need to generalize and filter. But what is tricky? You keep over generalizing and overgeneralising causes you to not see the bigger picture because you're so focused on this one thing that I don't like and that we need to learn to break problems down into the actual fractions that they're in because it causes us so many problems overall, I think I love this saying, but society can only move as fast as its slowest player.

Uyi

I haven't heard that.

Beau

I think it was actually Jim Jeffrey, as it said, it probably not originally, but that's why I heard it. So I think over generalizing things causes us to slow down, whereas actually, if we broke a lot of problems down, we would find a lot more similarities between our issues than we want to admit. But I think people just sometimes people just like being selfrighteous, I think. And you have to believe in something.

Uyi

Well, you have to believe in something. You should definitely believe in yourself. And I think a lot of people do believe in themselves to a degree, I believe in the power of belief. I'm guessing that's what you're saying. When you talk about NLP right.

Beau

To be a force, you have to believe you're a force.

Uyi

Yeah. If you don't love yourself, who's going to love you, you got to stop with you. Really?

Beau

Yeah. Your ability to love comes from your capacity to love yourself. You've boxed out your capacity, and then you are able to accept and give love from your capacity for yourself.

Uyi

I saw a quote the other day. I can't remember the exact words, but I'm paraphrasing it or something like, it's not pain or hardship that shows you the character of a man. It's power. Give a man power. And then you want to always real characters like. And so you could love yourself. But you could also be narcissistic. You could take it to extremes and stuff. But I do believe you can change your mind. I think that's where you have to start from before you can start tackling other things that are going on around you. First start with you, and then you can start to do with the other issues.

Beau

I think people fail often to realize how many things we are placing in a fixed trait box when they're actually skills. Your capacity to love is a skill. Self. Love is a skill. Confidence is a skill. They're all things you can cultivate and practice. And by practicing them, it changes your nervous system, your neural pathways. But you have to practice. It's like people that try something for once and they're like, fucking shit. Where are your hours? Yeah. And also you are shit. It's like going to your first Egyptian class and you're like, half fucking sucked. And people lose a lot of their power in viewing things as fixed rather than something they can practice.

Uyi

Manageable.

Beau

Yeah.

Uyi

So let's talk about Mexico then.

Beau

Okay.

Uyi

How was Mexico?

Beau

But Mexico was beautiful, I bet. So I traveled the Quintana route coast. I landed in Cancun, spent a week there by myself because I was supposed to go for two and a half weeks just for this course, this NLP and emotional intelligence coaching course. So I spent a week in Cancun, just around about myself to Coco Bongo.

Uyi

Bongo.

Beau

It's so good. It's weird about yourself, though, because it's a nightclub of circus six. And then when I bought my ticket, I asked if the drinks are included because it's, like, $70 are expensive to go. I was like, oh, the drinks included. She was like, yeah, 15.

Uyi

I was like, 15.

Beau

I'll die. I think I am a crocodile. So I didn't want to miss the experience of going and doing these touristy things. So I just took myself there. It was good fun the way to dance me in the end. That's great. And then from there, I went to Puerto Morelos, which is where the course was being held.

Uyi

Okay.

Beau

I spent 17 days of what felt like having very intense therapy because everything you're learning has to be. And everyone in there has to practice on each other. So obviously you have to do a lot of exposing yourself. Definitely prepared myself for it. But it's different. You can prepare yourself as much as you like. But when you start talking about your history in your past, you don't know what point it's going to go. No, thank you. And you're going to fall apart, essentially, is what happens for everyone. What was interesting is I was the youngest on the course.

Uyi

Really?

Beau

Which is interesting as a 30 year old to be the youngest too.

Uyi

You trust a life coach who was 25 years old?

Beau

Well, that's the thing. I wouldn't brand myself. Yeah, I wouldn't brand myself as a life coach because I'm just like, who the fuck? Come on. I feel like 80 onwards. You can maybe call yourself a life coach.

Uyi

That's true. Right. So when I see see life coaches, I don't see an eight year old person who calls himself a life coach. But most life coaches are kind of like 40s to 50s good ones.

Beau

I think once you hit, you become a mentor when you hit mentoring age. I think that's life coaching. But life coaches that are 24 in Dubai.

Uyi

What do you know about life?

Beau

Especially someone who's older. I'm just, like, 24. I didn't even trust myself.

Uyi

It's weird that when you turn like, when you're 18, you think I'm an adult now and then five years later, you think I didn't know shit when I was 1823? I don't know.

Beau

Yeah. And then you're like that, and you're like, I think I'm still an idiot. I think I've learned a lot of lessons, but I still have a lot of lessons to go. But I can map out what I've learned so far. And the thing about learning how to coach efficiently is taking technique and being able to apply them to the individual because you're able to read the individual because not one size fits all.

Uyi

Yes. One thing actually, I noticed about Instagram. One thing you did that was actually interesting is you cut down the number of your followers.

Beau

Yeah, I reversed it.

Uyi

Why did you do that?

Beau

Because, I mean, like, every good girl, I posted a lot of skin, which I have no angst about or like, judgment. Do you Hone? I enjoy my body and showing it. But I realized that I did some modeling and that caused a lot of followers from different countries to come in. But once I started adding more coaching stuff into the fabric of my Instagram, I realized that the engagement was shit because the followers are like, what the fuck? She got clothes on. She's saying, like some interest in shit, and she's got clothes on what? So I wanted to add a balance of still having that kind of confident body, confident female. I also like to keep some humor on it because I think actually, that's just way more entertaining. A lot of the time, like a chunk of text every time people go fuck off. But I wanted to add more balance of I didn't want to have two Instagram for my coaching. I'm just like, I am a person, and I'm going to be right for some people. So this is all of me. To the extent you can be all of me online and you can decide if I'm the one for you. But because the engagement was so trash, and I realized that people were just, like, waiting for the bum. I'm just going to delete you.

Uyi

It's funny how you can be typecasted. Your social media can be typecasted.

Beau

Oh, God. Yes. Hopefully you're a comedian.

Uyi

Why are you talking about politics or whatever it is? Stay in your Lane. It's like that's not life, right? You have many different interests. You're a diverse person. So why can't I put people in boxes? Yeah. Why box yourself and let people try and box you?

Beau

Yeah, I say this all the time. Like you're being a boxer. You did. Until then, stay out of them.

Uyi

That's a great point to finish. Yeah. So Bo Rambeau.

Beau

Bo Rambo had a Bo Rambo.

Uyi

It's been very interesting.

Beau

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Uyi

It's been a good talk.

Beau

I definitely need a way.

Uyi

I wasn't going to end like that. But you're impairing yourself. That's the start, right? Where can people find you?

Beau

Instagram is my most prevalent place at Borambo coachrambo. When you hire me. Co. Ukram.

Uyi

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